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This is an incredibly irresponsible way to conduct yourself now, even if it’s what you’ve been up to for years.
This is an incredibly irresponsible way to conduct yourself now, even if it’s what you’ve been up to for years.
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7 days ago by petej
Why we stopped trusting elites | News | The Guardian
If a world where everyone has their own truth-tellers sounds dangerously like relativism, that’s because it is. But the roots of this new and often unsettling “regime of truth” don’t only lie with the rise of populism or the age of big data. Elites have largely failed to understand that this crisis is about trust rather than facts – which may be why they did not detect the rapid erosion of their own credibility.

Unless liberal institutions and their defenders are willing to reckon with their own inability to sustain trust, the events of the past decade will remain opaque to them. And unless those institutions can rediscover aspects of the original liberal impulse – to keep different domains of power separate, and put the disinterested pursuit of knowledge before the pursuit of profit – then the present trends will only intensify, and no quantity of facts will be sufficient to resist. Power and authority will accrue to a combination of decreasingly liberal states and digital platforms – interrupted only by the occasional outcry as whistles are blown and outrages exposed.
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14 days ago by petej
Brexit is a class betrayal. So why is Labour colluding in it? | John Harris | Opinion | The Guardian
These things are part of a vast charge sheet not only against the modern Conservative party, but an alliance of old and new money that has set the basic terms of British politics for the past 40 years. Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson were educated at the same exclusive school as the prime minister whose idiotic decision to hold a referendum gave them their opportunity. Nigel Farage and Arron Banks are archetypal examples of the kind of spivs who were given licence to do as they pleased in the 80s. For all their absurd bleating about “elites”, we all know what these people represent: the two faces of the modern English ruling class, who have long combined to be nothing but trouble.
UK  Brexit  Leave  ToryParty  deindustrialisation  austerity  referendum  misinformation  dishonesty  Thatcherism  opposition  LabourParty  withdrawalAgreement  noDeal  PeoplesVote  class  dctagged  dc:creator=HarrisJohn 
25 days ago by petej
Confusion mingles with anger as leafy Esher ponders Brexit | Politics | The Guardian
After talking at length to Raab’s “neglected silent mainstream majority”, I began to appreciate why they might be neglected. What is most notable are the glaring contradictions: May is not up to the job, but she should stick it out. Brexit has been a disaster – and we should get out of Europe as soon as possible. And my personal favourite, that being in the EU has meant, as Hill claims, that the younger generation, including her children, can’t get on the property ladder, followed by the complaint that “property is dropping like a stone round here”.

The cognitive dissonance seems endemic. However, in politics the voters are always right. And while the criticism and analysis heard in Esher may lack a certain intellectual coherence, there is an emotional discontent that is undoubtedly authentic.

Hill describes herself as a Conservative through and through. But, she says: “I’m beginning to think that our politics are trash, we’ve got no leadership and they’re all backstabbers with no integrity.”

That’s something an enemy might say. When it’s coming from a diehard supporter in the sleepy comforts of superbia, the Tories should know they are in trouble.
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25 days ago by petej
one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)
This is a total shitshow that could never have been delivered (and, assuming the vote fails, still won't).

May's words yesterday were exactly what they seemed and directed at the people they seemed to be:

Brexiteers - it's this or no brexit. William Hague made a similar point on Today yesterday, that they should realise it's probably their one chance to get brexit because if it gets kicked into the long grass here it will always be too difficult to do again and people will point at the past two years as good reasons why it's impossible.

Remainers - it's this or no deal. Vote it down and there's a good chance the euro-sceptics will sieze control of the Tory party, and if you can't force a GE and get the EU to put the process on the back burner then we'll crash out unless we rely on EU largesse.

It's not inconsistent to see them both as possibilities. The danger is if either side sees the statement as hardening their own faith that they are the true way.
UK  EU  Brexit  withdrawalAgreement  Leave  Remain  compromise  politics  MayTheresa 
29 days ago by petej
It’s not defying voters, MPs, to try to make them think again on Brexit | Nick Cohen | Opinion | The Guardian
“Asking me to support Brexit is like asking me to punch my constituents in the face,” said Anna Turley, the Labour MP for Redcar,which voted 66:34 to leave. “It doesn’t make it easier if you tell me my constituents want to be punched.”
UK  Brexit  referendum  PeoplesVote  democracy  Leave  politics  dctagged  dc:creator=CohenNick 
6 weeks ago by petej
The part of Brexit everyone’s been avoiding is finally here: immigration | Gaby Hinsliff | Opinion | The Guardian
Brexit was never really about immigration.

Or so liberal leavers fall over themselves to claim, at least. They can’t bear the idea of being associated with a racist backlash and so they insist it was really all about sovereignty; that all those inflammatory posters of dark-skinned migrants queuing at European borders and the cynical scaremongering about Turkey didn’t really have any bearing on the result, and that all they really wanted was just a fairer and more open system in which people could come to Britain more easily from Commonwealth countries.

Even Nigel Farage sounded as if butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth on the radio this morning, insisting all he ever wanted was control of our borders and equal opportunities for Indians to come here just as Romanians once did.
UK  EU  Brexit  migration  freedomOfMovement  xenophobia  Leave  impact  pay  wages  employers  skills  politics  dctagged  dc:creator=HinsliffGaby 
12 weeks ago by petej
Why I worry a second EU referendum would boost the radical right
So, as I see it, there is every chance Brexit would win a stronger mandate, the campaign itself would not only reinvigorate respectable political xenophobia and racism, the campaign would easily be portrayed as an Establishment attempt to keep re-running votes until the public vote the right way, and the radical right would hugely benefit from such a political context.
UK  EU  Brexit  referendum  polarisation  Leave  racism  xenophobia  bigotry  RobinsonTommy  dctagged  dc:creator=JonesOwen  politics 
june 2018 by petej
mainly macro: Will the Conservative party ever recover from Brexit?
There is no quick solution to this problem. If a Brexiter was able to capture the Conservative party leadership, they could only get their clean Brexit through parliament by achieving a Conservative landslide: that was what May hoped for and failed to get. As long as the Conservative party is in government, the chaos and fantasy politics that the UK has suffered since June 2016 will stay with us. Even if a Brexiter did not replace May, the party would be paralysed by Brexit syndrome to a degree that would make John Major’s difficulties seem trivial.

It seems to me that there is only one way the Conservative party can go. There is no cure for Brexit syndrome, so those that have it must become irrelevant. That requires a long period in opposition, like the period Labour suffered from 1979 to 1997. A period long enough for the current Brexit membership, plus defectors from UKIP, to be replaced by more sensible people who can see that a party that suffers from Brexit syndrome is a party that can never govern effectively, and which is always in danger of doing the country great harm.

It says a lot about so much of our political commentariat that so many words have been written in horror about how Labour is ‘suffering’ from an influx of new idealistic members who just want to make things better, while so few have been written about the very real danger caused by a moribund Conservative membership that just wants to break off all relations with our nearest neighbours.
UK  EU  Brexit  ToryParty  Leave  politics 
january 2018 by petej
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