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How to talk to your kids about porn (before the pornographers do) | Julie Bindel | Opinion | The Guardian
Challenge to claim 90% of porn is violent against women

candoll
25 Oct 2018 21:31
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For those denying statistics and wanting studies to back it up, you can start here:
The 90% figure is from Bridges et al: Bridges, Ana J et al. “Aggression and Sexual Behavior in Best-Selling Pornography Videos: A Content Analysis Update.” Violence Against Women16.10 (2010): 1065-1085. Web. 6 Mar. 2012

You can also try
Cramer, Elizabeth et al. “Violent Pornography and Abuse of Women: Theory to Practice.” Violence and Victims 13.4 (1998): 319-32. Print.Donnerstein, Edward. “Pornography and Violence Against Women: Experimental Studies.” Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 347.1 (1980): 277-288. Web. 6 Mar. 2012.Donnerstein, Edward, and Daniel Linz. “Mass Media Sexual Violence and Male Viewers Current Theory and Research: RESEARCH ON THE EFFECTS OF AGGRESSIVE PORNOGRAPHY AGGRESSIVE PORNOGRAPHY AND SEXUAL AROUSAL AGGRESSIVE PORNOGRAPHY AND ATTITUDES TOWARD RAPE AGGRESSIVE PORNOGRAPHY AND AGGRESSION AGAINST WOMEN THE INFLUENCE OF NONPORNOGRAPHIC DEPICTIONS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN THE EFFECTS OF EXPOSURE TO R-RATED SEXUALIZED VIOLENCE MITIGATING THE EFFECTS OF EXPOSURE TO SEXUAL VIOLENCE THE IMPACT OF NONAGGRESSIVE PORNOGRAPHY CONCLUSIONS REFERENCES.” The American Behavioral Scientist (1986-1994) 29.5 (1986): 601-616. Print.Douglas, Ulester, Dick Bathrick, and Phyllis Alesia Perry. “Deconstructing Male Violence Against Women.” Violence Against Women 14.2 (2008): 247-261. Web. 7 Mar. 2012
omito, Patrizia, and Lucia Beltramini. “Watching Pornography: Gender Differences, Violence and Victimization. An Exploratory Study in Italy.” Violence Against Women (2011): 1-14. Web. 6 Mar. 2012.
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leftarmslow

candoll
25 Oct 2018 21:39
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"best-selling"?
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GertrudePerkins
leftarmslow
25 Oct 2018 21:42
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Ha ha!
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partoftheproblem
candoll
25 Oct 2018 21:44
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We've already gone out and found more than that including the fact that the results of studies vary depending upon the definition of violence and what they are looking at (hardly shocking).

And therein is the problem, a couple of smacks to a bottom is very different to extreme hardcore BDSM, by not separating them out and presenting things in a clear manner it's easy to see that they're pushing a particular position.
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candoll
25 Oct 2018 21:51
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How about the other studies?
Problem with any study - Presumption e.g. porn increases male violence towards women.
Get evidence - to back up presumption

So I could have another presumption e.g. porn does not increase male violence towards women.
Get evidence - to back up presumption
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candoll
25 Oct 2018 21:57
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Many of the comments below the line are trying to uphold, rather than deny, statistics.

The 90% paper has been analysed in the comments, along with a number of other analyses.

Claiming that something is shown by a study is very different from analysing the paper, looking at the methods, questioning the sample.

A statistical analysis should be capable of withstanding robust criticism. That's the point being made elsewhere.
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Truewordshere
candoll
25 Oct 2018 22:07
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Ok, so the "aggression" includes spanking. A gentle slap on the bum and it's included as "Violent" sex.
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candoll
25 Oct 2018 22:23
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you know, among porn users (i.e. if you ignore they are more likely to be male to begin with), women are twice as likely to search for 'hardcore' according to both pornhub's and google's data collections (can't link here, but google it)
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Gehirnfurz
candoll
25 Oct 2018 22:38
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From the primary paper itself:

Aggressive acts were recorded according to two specific subtypes: verbal and
physical.
Physically aggressive acts were (a) pushing or shoving; (b) biting; (c) pinching;
(d) pulling hair; (e) spanking; (f) open-hand slapping; (g) gagging (defined as when an object or body part, e.g., penis, hand, or sex toy, is inserted into a character’s mouth, visibly obstructing breathing); (h) choking (when one character visibly places his or her hands around another character’s throat with applied pressure); (i) threatening with weapon; (j) kicking; (k) closed-fist punching; (l) bondage or confining; (m) using weapons; and (n) torturing, mutilating, or attempting murder.

Verbally aggressive acts were (a) name calling or insulting and (b) threatening physical harm. Coders indicated whether each scene contained verbal aggression (yes/
no) and physical aggression (yes/no).

This seems fantastically broad. The verbal component has 97% of incidences falling under "insulting" - standard fare for large amounts of dirty talk, one would imagine - and more than half of the physical aggression consists of spanking (*shrugs shoulders*) and gagging, which sounds like an occupational hazard for a pornstar given the male actors' physical attributes rather than some kind of assault.

Thankfully, it appears no-one was punched, threatened with a weapon, tortured or mutilated, so there is that..
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MightyBuccaneer
candoll
25 Oct 2018 22:47
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You can tell from the very titles of these papers that none provide evidence that porn causes bad things.
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MarkWE
Gehirnfurz
25 Oct 2018 23:03
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Verbally aggressive acts were (a) name calling or insulting

So the scene in American Pie where when of the female characters says to her (male) partner "Say my name bitch" would fit into this list of violent porn!
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Bindel
candoll
25 Oct 2018 23:05
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Hi there, the issue with denying that porn has any material, tangible effect would be like suggesting that advertising is ineffective.
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Bindel
25 Oct 2018 23:17
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Hello Julie! If you're reading, fancy replying to the fact that your stats in this article are totally wrong?

Porn has no material, tangible effect that has been demonstrated by studies that survive even the slightest whiff of peer review - more the pitty really, as it's possible porn is very substantially helpful in lowering the hatred shown against sexual minorities - but we have no evidence to cite that.

Advertising is directed, so is attempting to shift views in a single measurable direction. Porn is not, it's a cornucopia of varied things that is incredibly diverse. And the success of advertising in a particular direction is actually very messy in real life. Demonstrating a particular effect over than raising knowledge is notoriously difficult.
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Nihilarian
Gehirnfurz
25 Oct 2018 23:18
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Violence is a broad church, though isn't it? Its depiction and how it is understood is also contextually dependent. Many kicking back against the general purpose of the above article are only reading the papers in question from the position of adults who are knowledgable about the relationships (or otherwise) between porn and healthy sexual relationships, rather than attempting to try just a little bit harder and consider what these things might look like from the perspective of a 12 year old.

Just out of interest, I wonder -

1 - are you male or female?
2 - have you ever had any of these things happen to you against your will?
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Bindel
25 Oct 2018 23:50
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I'm sorry, but I really don't see how that sentence makes any sense.

The general aim of advertising is to convince people to do something; normally speaking, to part with their money. In other words, it explicitly seeks to modify our behavior. That's its primary goal.

The goal of porn is arguably to provide people with some form of sexual gratification, so that someone somewhere can theoretically make some money. If it modifies our behavior (e.g. by causing violence against women), that would be a side effect, not the intended goal.

You seem to be implying that the people who make porn have the intention of getting men to act violently against women;

and/or

that the fact that advertising works is proof that porn has a psychological effect on those who watch it; i.e. the fact that one form of stimulus fulfills its aim is proof that another form of stimulus has certain side-effects. I don't see how that makes sense.

Just to be clear: I'm not saying that porn doesn't have psychological effects. I'm just saying that the analogy doesn't make any sense.
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sausageweasel
Nihilarian
26 Oct 2018 1:06
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1 - are you male or female?
2 - have you ever had any of these things happen to you against your will?


just to add my perspective as someone who answers female and yes to those questions-
it's probably impossible to eliminate access to a type or all types of porn if you allow access to the internet- (we managed to find hard porn using school computers with their blocks quite easily, unfortunately these blocks did prevent access to some educational sexual health sites!)- so whether this is good or bad is really irrelevant and we should focus on how to educate considering the prevalence of these types of videos.

As long as they are educated in consent and provided with a realistic view of what the population are/enjoy doing in the bedroom, I don't think porn necessarily harms people's sex lives or attitudes to sex. There are great sex education books with big sections on the internet, pornography and the difference between fantasy and what you enjoy in the real world. Sex education is far more important than preventing access to unsavory materials. I think I had overall good education (… [more]
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