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(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails)
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11 days ago by jamescampbell
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11 days ago by dunstan
Socrates didn't charge for "education" because when you are in business, the "customer starts to become right". Whereas in education, the customer is generally "not right". Marketeers are catering to what people *want*, educators are trying to deal with what they think people *need* (and this is often not at all what they *want*). Part of Montessori's genius was to realize early that children *want* to get fluent in their surrounding environs and culture, and this can be really powerful if one embeds what they *need* in the environs and culture.
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11 days ago by tamberg
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11 days ago by briantrice
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11 days ago by ichthyos
I once gave a talk to Disney executives about "new ways to kill the geese that lay the golden eggs". For example, set up deadlines and quotas for the eggs. Make the geese into managers. Make the geese go to meetings to justify their diet and day to day processes. Demand golden coins from the geese rather than eggs. Demand platinum rather than gold. Require that the geese make plans and explain just how they will make the eggs that will be laid. Etc.
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The Parc money came from Xerox, the ARPA money came from DoD via the Cold War, but was unfettered and in the public domain. The most important difference between the "Golden Age" funders and those of today, is that the former didn't confuse responsibility with control -- they were responsible but they knew that the researchers had to control the choice of projects and methods. The funders of today -- most particularly the tech billionaires, but also execs in companies, bureaucrats in DARPA and NSF, etc -- think that they have to control. This winds up with bad choices for goals and projects, and bad processes. The "Golden Age" funders "funded people, not projects".

If "good funding" were to come from the pop culture, I wouldn't turn up my nose at it (nor would any of my past colleagues). The main aim is to make qualitative improvements in the human condition. I think everyone would agree that making a billion dollars does not qualify a person to play professional sports, nor to be a classical violinist. Nor does it qualify a person to be able to direct fundamental research. These are all deep skills that anyone with a billion can learn, but if they don't learn them, then having them deep in the loop is a real problem for progress.
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11 days ago by mayonissen
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11 days ago by niralisse
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11 days ago by rtanglao
Missed including this nice bit the first time.
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11 days ago by eesur
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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11 days ago by gadzhi
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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13 days ago by johnrclark
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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13 days ago by leeomara
RT : "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh or they will kill you."
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14 days ago by gaelicWizard
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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15 days ago by divergio
Alan Kay and the flaws in funding of fundamental research
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15 days ago by sudocurse
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh or they will kill you."
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16 days ago by blowery
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh or they will kill you."
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16 days ago by girma
Alan Kay old email brilliance
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16 days ago by sprafa
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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16 days ago by matttrent
"As I pointed out in a previous email, Engelbart couldn't get funding from the very people who made fortunes from his inventions.

It strikes me that many of the tech billionaires have already gotten their "upside" many times over from people like Engelbart and other researchers who were supported by ARPA, Parc, ONR, etc. Why would they insist on more upside, and that their money should be an "investment"? That isn't how the great inventions and fundamental technologies were created that eventually gave rise to the wealth that they tapped into after the fact.

It would be really worth the while of people who do want to make money -- they think in terms of millions and billions -- to understand how the trillions -- those 3 and 4 extra zeros came about that they have tapped into. And to support that process."
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16 days ago by arsyed
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails)
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16 days ago by cpt.kolute
Another way to think about this is as a confusion with what kinds of reasoning that is needed when the funding is for "art". The MacArthur people have seen that they need to "fund ahead" for the Fellowships -- but their "100&Chan
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17 days ago by shorn
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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18 days ago by nsfmc
The "golden age" funding included a lot of funding for "problem finding"
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18 days ago by danny.hope
"Socrates didn't charge for "education" because when you are in business, the "customer starts to become right". Whereas in education, the customer is generally "not right". Marketeers are catering to what people *want*, educators are trying to deal with what they think people *need* (and this is often not at all what they *want*). Part of Montessori's genius was to realize early that children *want* to get fluent in their surrounding environs and culture, and this can be really powerful if one embeds what they *need* in the environs and culture."

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18 days ago by robertogreco
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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18 days ago by disnet
Most of these kinds of misunderstandings are because many people really want other people to be like them, and they want to be able to use what they would do to ask others to do, etc. It was harder to explain to the Disney execs -- and many potential contemporary funders -- what the golden age funders understood full well. Namely, the reason they are the funders is because they did something that got them in control -- in one way or another -- of money. Meanwhile, the people who should be funded were spending their time getting deeper and better at their arts.
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18 days ago by jtth
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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18 days ago by fogus
Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit making companies -- Atari, Apple, Disney, HP, SAP, Infosys, etc. And there have been various kinds of compromises involved. And some good work on smaller scales did get done. Others of my colleagues in the diaspora that started in the early 80s wound up at Microsoft, DEC, IBM, Bell Labs, etc.

These same people with the same big ideas, talents, more skills and knowledge, and energies, were not able to muster the critical masses of "psychic resources" that are needed to get to the "other worlds" places that were routinely the province of the smaller but "felicitous" and longer range resources of ARPA-Parc.

Bell Labs is a great alternate example. Before the divestiture it was a fountain of qualitative advances -- afterwards, it couldn't get out of its own way -- most of the good people were still there, but the management contexts changed.
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18 days ago by zryb
RT : Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails
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19 days ago by mellowfish
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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19 days ago by trs
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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19 days ago by dylan
"Yet another perspective is to note that one of the human genetic "built-ins" is "hunting and gathering" -- this requires resources to "be around", and is essentially incremental in nature. It is not too much of an exaggeration to point out that most businesses are very like hunting-and-gathering processes, and think of their surrounds as resources put there by god or nature for them. Most don't think of the resources in our centuries as actually part of a human-made garden via inventions and cooperation, and that the garden has to be maintained and renewed."
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19 days ago by mechazoidal
(Some excerpts from recent Alan Kay emails) -- Most of the funding of research efforts I've been involved in since ARPA-Parc have been with various profit…
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19 days ago by kohlmannj