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Will EU compromise after receiving UK Brexit proposals? - BBC News
No-one I speak to on the EU side thinks a new Brexit deal can be done in time for the leaders' summit in mid-October. Few think it possible even by the end of the month.

Ultimately the EU doesn't buy the prime minister's line that it's either this deal or no deal.

Brussels believes another extension is the most likely new chapter in the ongoing Brexit process.
UK  EU  Brexit  negotiations  backstop  borders  customs  Ireland  NorthernIreland  regulatoryAlignment  compromise  GoodFridayAgreement  DUP  withdrawalAgreement  Article50  extension  politics  alternativeArrangements 
6 weeks ago by petej
The language of Brexit ‘betrayal’ is poisoning politics | Jonathan Lis | Opinion | The Guardian
First, the facts. Corbyn’s position on Brexit has transformed over the past two years. At the time of the 2017 general election Labour was not committing to the single market, customs union or even a transition period. Now it guarantees a referendum that will, in all circumstances, include an option to remain in the EU. It is a curious form of betrayal that offers the people being betrayed exactly what they were demanding.

This is, of course, not to spare Corbyn legitimate criticism. Labour’s path to this referendum pledge has been slow and tortuous. Its language has been consistently murky and ambiguous. The long-standing policy of triangulation has confused and alienated both leavers and remainers. Even now, many voters are bemused by the notion that the party might renegotiate Brexit and then campaign against its own deal. Corbyn’s refusal, at this stage, to personally endorse either option has provoked further opprobrium.

The problem for Corbyn is that his tactics are at the same time sensible and unsustainable. It is entirely reasonable to seek to adapt a Brexit deal to suit his party’s priorities before putting that to the people, yet on the doorsteps it could sound ridiculous. It is, furthermore, a respectable ambition to stay above the fray during a profoundly divisive referendum campaign, but also absurd that a government might call a vote of such generational importance and not adopt a firm stance in either direction.

It is, in the end, inconceivable that Corbyn could remain officially neutral for a referendum. A Labour-led government would be compelled by its members and voters to support remain, and its leader could not diverge. But even if he did, that would represent a compromise and not a betrayal. Our fundamental problem is we have lost the ability to distinguish between the two.
UK  politics  Brexit  rhetoric  discourse  language  betrayal  LiberalDemocratParty  LabourParty  CorbynJeremy  Remain  referendum  neutrality  compromise  dctagged  dc:creator=LisJonathan 
8 weeks ago by petej
No.10 statement: Look out for Theresa May's no-deal trap
"The government would then bring forward the withdrawal agreement bill," she said, referring to the domestic legislation enacting the deal with Brussels. "We would want to agree a timetable for this bill to ensure it is passed before the 22nd of May, so the UK need not take part in European parliamentary elections."

And that's when the alarm bells started ringing. That is the bit that will define if this is a real attempt to turn the page on how she approaches Brexit or another cynical trap based on deception.

The European elections are a crucial moment in the Brexit process. The EU has been clear that if the UK does not take part in those elections, it cannot remain inside, because it would mean that the European parliament would potentially be illegally constituted. The danger was always that May would use this fact to pivot parliament into a place where it had to choose between her deal or no-deal.

The elections are on May 23rd. But the last date Britain can pass the domestic legislation to take part is April 12th. This creates a kind of danger zone, a time window in which May could put her deal to parliament in the knowledge that no further extensions of Article 50 were possible.
UK  EU  Brexit  MayTheresa  withdrawalAgreement  LabourParty  CorbynJeremy  compromise  politics  Article50  extension  noDeal  deception  dctagged  dc:creator=DuntIan 
april 2019 by petej
Interview with Kenneth Clarke on Brexit - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Clarke: It's a very nasty climate out there. People are retreating into angry simplicities. Half the population is angry about politicians not getting on with it, they're not following the detail, they haven't a clue what the Irish backstop is, and they couldn't care less. They just want it to be over. The other half does follow quite fairly, intensely, more than usual. They are divided in angry remainers who are ever more ferociously for remaining and angry leavers who ever more ferociously feel they are being betrayed.
UK  EU  politics  Brexit  ClarkeKenneth  interview  DerSpiegel  ToryParty  withdrawalAgreement  compromise  backstop  ERG  nationalism  ThatcherMargaret  DelorsJacques  MaastrichtTreaty  Euro  CameronDavid  polarisation  Leave  Remain 
february 2019 by petej
Brexit: Should Theresa May stick with her plan? - BBC News
But one senior MP involved in the process believes the problem is that by suggesting compromise in the Commons in the wake of defeat last week, then telling ministers Plan B is basically Plan A last night, the PM has "burned up the goodwill".
UK  EU  Brexit  politics  MayTheresa  PlanB  backstop  DUP  compromise  intransigence  withdrawalAgreement  dctagged  dc:creator=KuenssbergLaura 
january 2019 by petej
mainly macro: Brexit. Of course everyone hates a compromise, but like much else its the best option, isn't it?
According to IPSOS Mori, only a few percent of people thought the EU was an important issue in 2010. In 2015 it only occasionally reached double figures. This strongly suggests that people voted Leave not because they wanted to leave the EU for its own sake, but for what they believed would be a consequence of leaving in some other dimension. This is the key to understanding why a compromise does not work.

Most Brexit voters will not be moderately happy with a deal that makes them worse off: they will not be happy at all. Most Brexit voters will not be moderately happy with a deal that gives the UK less say in the rules the UK has to obey than when in the EU: they will not be happy at all. A true compromise is something that gives each side something, but the incredible thing about Brexit is that what most Leavers want from Brexit is not possible, yet most politicians and much of the media refuse to tell them that.

The curse of Brexit is that anyone enacting it will be unpopular, not because most Leave voters do not get all they want but because they do not get anything they want. In fact, like the snake oil analogy, they will probably be worse off or have less say. Brexit was always a fantasy, and anyone who makes Brexit concrete will fail to deliver that fantasy. As most politicians have not had the courage to call Brexit out as the fantasy it is, voters are likely to blame the politicians who fail to produce their fantasy rather than blaming themselves.
UK  EU  Brexit  Leave  delusion  economy  publicServices  sovereignty  compromise  politics  dctagged  dc:creator=Wren-LewisSimon 
january 2019 by petej
one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)
This is a total shitshow that could never have been delivered (and, assuming the vote fails, still won't).

May's words yesterday were exactly what they seemed and directed at the people they seemed to be:

Brexiteers - it's this or no brexit. William Hague made a similar point on Today yesterday, that they should realise it's probably their one chance to get brexit because if it gets kicked into the long grass here it will always be too difficult to do again and people will point at the past two years as good reasons why it's impossible.

Remainers - it's this or no deal. Vote it down and there's a good chance the euro-sceptics will sieze control of the Tory party, and if you can't force a GE and get the EU to put the process on the back burner then we'll crash out unless we rely on EU largesse.

It's not inconsistent to see them both as possibilities. The danger is if either side sees the statement as hardening their own faith that they are the true way.
UK  EU  Brexit  withdrawalAgreement  Leave  Remain  compromise  politics  MayTheresa 
november 2018 by petej
John Major: I have made no false promises on Brexit – I’m free to tell you the truth | Opinion | The Guardian
I understand the motives of those who voted to leave the European Union: it can – as I well know – be very frustrating. Nonetheless, after weighing its frustrations and opportunities, there is no doubt in my own mind that our decision is a colossal misjudgment that will diminish both the UK and the EU. It will damage our national and personal wealth, and may seriously hamper our future security. It may even, over time, break up our United Kingdom. It will most definitely limit the prospects of our young.

And – once this becomes clear – I believe those who promised what will never be delivered will have much to answer for. They persuaded a deceived population to vote to be weaker and poorer. That will never be forgotten – nor forgiven.
UK  EU  Brexit  politics  economics  compromise  polarisation  dctagged  dc:creator=MajorJohn 
october 2018 by petej
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