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Falling Down the TM Rabbit Hole, How TM Really Works, a Critical Opinion
cults = see the "Who is that man behind the curtain?" link:
http://www.suggestibility.org/whoIsMahesh.shtml

==== NOTE TO SELF ====
I tried to write the reply below, here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/870658/researchers_reviewed_claims_that_meditation/dw9wuzi/

as a comment, but it would not post. Even when I switched accounts, the comment never showed up. In order to not lose the hour's worth of research, introspection and writing, I am writing it below:

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Yes, but only if you take the more advanced classes. (which, of course, cost more money.)

The people who practice this "levitation" are called Vedic Flyers or Yogic Flyers.

It sounds more mystical than it is. It's really just hopping while in the [lotus position](https://www.yogajournal.com/.image/t_share/MTQ2MTgwNjczNTUyMTk3MTUy/story-image-18148.jpg).

According to TM, there are 3 stages.

* Stage 1 is the "hopping" I mentioned.
* Stage 2 is hovering.
* Stage 3 is actual flight.

As you might have guessed, everyone is stuck at Stage 1.

[Here's a National Geographic segment on Yogic Flying / Vedic Flying.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwhGUo90jw)


I'm a TM meditator, but I'm firmly grounded in reality. Here's my experience with TM.

**As a personal practice:**

* It's a good daily discipline, it relaxes you, but probably no more so than any other meditation. (I haven't tried any other type yet.)

* My life has not changed dramatically and I haven't been enlightened or anything like that.

* I think anything beyond the "sit down and meditate for 20 minutes for your own personal benefit" is an attempt to figure out how to make more money from this meditation thing and anything they can tie to it

**As an organization:**

* It appeals to a bunch of good-hearted, well-intentioned, but not-so-critically-thinking people. (think 60's hippies)

* What this translates to is that the organization can make tremendous claims about the power of TM and no one bats an eye. (see next bullet point)

* If you ever go to a TM center, you'll see all sorts of charts and graphs on the wall talking about how TM and all its associated programs can do things like revolutionize the management of companies and government, increase crop yields and even bring about world peace (literally, the claim is that if 1% of the square root of the population were to meditate together, crime would go down), etc.

* When Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the founder of the TM movement) brought TM to the US, he noticed that science was a big thing, so instead of trying to sell it as a religion, he started selling it as science-based

* [John Hagelin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagelin) is a former theoretical physicist who, probably because of the previous bullet point (i.e. if you're trying to sell your product as science-based, what better way that having a theoretical physicist spew a bunch of buzzwords about how your meditation is totally backed by theoretical physics?), got the attention of Maharishi and ended up becoming a big deal in the organization, eventually heading up the TM organization in the US.

* When he died in 2008, [Maharaishi died as one of the richest religions leaders in history](https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/maharishi-inspired-beatles-but-died-leaving-292433)


There are plenty of sites critical of TM that you can read if you are interested:

* http://www.suggestibility.org/
* http://skepdic.com/tm.html
* http://minet.org/mantras.html
* http://tmfree.blogspot.com/

I know it might seem weird, but my point is not to trash TM. The meditation thing is good - but they just try (and have succeeded massively) to turn a 20 minute meditation thing into decades of study and tons of product lines in the pursuit of money.
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meditation-transcendental  anti-something  cults 
march 2018 by daguti
The Psychology Of Radicalization: How Terrorist Groups Attract Young Followers : NPR
changing-beliefs, brainwashing = "Other psychologists have found that suicide bombers are not usually drawn from the ranks of the mentally ill. Take a study done by Israeli psychologist Ariel Merari and his colleagues. After interviewing 15 Palestinian would-be suicide bombers who were unable to complete their missions—because the bomb failed to detonate or they were captured before they reached their targets—Merari reported none of them turned out to be psychotic. Most surprising, Merari and his colleagues report that fewer than half of the would-be bombers displayed suicidal tendencies." .................... and "Atran says recruiters often spend hundreds of hours showing young people how the problems they see in the world and in their own lives are connected to larger problems that ISIS is fighting."
cults  terrorism  psychology  religion-islam  brainwashing  psychology-beliefs-or-changing-beliefs  men-boys  crime-gangs 
december 2015 by daguti
Donald Trump's Campaign Takes a Darker Turn - The Atlantic
psychology-mass-hysteria-hitler-like = This is a new tag for links which demonstrate how evil things start as small and seemingly friendly, but then the populace ends up putting a dictator into power. Obviously, there are people who can see through Trump's veneer, but the masses gathered and cherring him on remind me of the sheep-like German people of the 30s who propeller Hitler in his rise to power. .............. I'm also tagging this with psychology-mass-hysteria and cults since that's what they appear like to me.
people-donald-trump  politics  election-2016-presidential  news  2015  race-racism  race-immigration  terrorism  warnings  psychology-mass-hysteria  psychology-mass-hysteria-hitler-like  cults 
november 2015 by daguti
the-witness-wore-red-a-polygamists-wife-finds-a-new-life
Rebecca Musser was raised in an extremist, polygamist church. She tells the harrowing story of her childhood, her first marriage, and her escape in her autobiography.
religion  cults  anti-something  relationships-polygamy 
september 2013 by daguti
The Master (2012 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
large-systems = "Anderson initially got the idea for the film by reading a quote that mentioned that the periods after wars were times for spiritual movements to start."
movies-to-watch  cults  communities  groups  large-systems 
september 2012 by daguti
Michael Port speaks out about James Arthur Ray - The Think Big Revolution
THIS PARTIAL PARAGRAPH IS SOMETHING I'VE BELIEVED FOR A LONG TIME - IN ANCIENT ROME, WE HAD 'THE OLYMPIANS' - THE GODS THAT EVERYONE WORSHIPPED -- IN MODERN TIMES, WE HAVE CELEBRITIES. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS COME UP WITH SOMEONE/THING TO WORSHIP:

Ever since the beginning of civilization people have created gods which, among other things, fulfill the need to have some "meaning" to their existence. Of course the major organized religions provide this avenue of fulfillment. And there have always been new and variant forms of religious belief and worship. Of course there are multiple economic, social, and psychological issues that impinge on this. But to simplify: people have a need for god-heros to worship.
psychology  cults  spirituality  crime-fraud  religion 
january 2010 by daguti
Damn Interesting » The Thugs of India
Accounts of secret murderous cult in India go back as far as the 13th century, but their modern story usually begins with the British Empire in the early 1800s.These killings were the work of a single, nation-spanning organization known as Thuggee
history  interesting  cults  culture  countries-india 
march 2008 by daguti

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