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That's just how you negotiate with a Nazi. Ask your grandfather. | MetaFilter #6887028
"Maybe part of the problem here is that at some point we conceded that valuing someone's life, health, and security of person based on their race, gender or sexual identity is something you're even allowed to have an opinion about."
dry_white_toast  metafilter  comment  nazi  discrimination  bigotry  hate  power  debate  america  truth  freedom  2017  2010s  life  fight  attack 
january 2017 by cluebucket
sick part of a sick thing, here is something i think people don’t understand,...
"real nazis have this unfortunate, terrifying habit of continuing to be nazis."
"no, we weren’t born bloodthirsty, just salivating at the chance to kick a nazi in the balls. we got driven here reluctantly, by history, to a place where violence in our defense can make us weep with gratitude. you drove us here."
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january 2017 by cluebucket
Twitter @BroderickGreer
" in one tweet. "

except Lloyd Bridges was a wonderful part of Airplane, and DJT is a...
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september 2016 by cluebucket
After the Fact - The New Yorker
"An American Presidential debate has a lot more in common with trial by combat than with trial by jury, which is what people are talking about when they say these debates seem 'childish': the outcome is the evidence. The ordeal endures."

"When we Google-know, Lynch argues, we no longer take responsibility for our own beliefs, and we lack the capacity to see how bits of facts fit into a larger whole. Essentially, we forfeit our reason and, in a republic, our citizenship."
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march 2016 by cluebucket
Democrats always prove the commies right | Fredrik deBoer
"Outside of primary season, they say to use the primary process. During primaries, they do everything possible to ensure our failure."  fredrik_deboer  2016  2010s  democrat  communism  argument  politics  writing  debate  connecticut  al_gore  howard_dean  barack_obama  2000s  bernie_sanders  hillary_clinton  campaign  power  change  corruption 
march 2016 by cluebucket
Just asking questions - RationalWiki
"a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements."

"JAQing off" -- lol!  wiki  ration  logic  argument  question  jaq  rhetoric  definition  technique  speech  debate  truther  truth 
december 2015 by cluebucket
Human Nature: Justice versus Power - Noam Chomsky debates with Michel Foucault
via "Michel Foucault on the police and democracy. "

No, I don't have the least belief that one could consider our society democratic. [Laughs.]
If one understands by democracy the effective exercise of power by a population which is neither divided nor hierarchically ordered in classes, it is quite clear that we are very far from democracy. It is only too clear that we are living under a regime of a dictatorship of class, of a power of class which imposes itself by violence, even when the instruments of this violence are institutional and constitutional; and to that degree, there isn't any question of democracy for us.
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december 2014 by cluebucket
Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written.
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october 2013 by cluebucket
The Sugar Wars: Science’s Fierce, Geeky Debate Over Soda | The Awl
"It's a tempting scenario: much as one might gut the worldwide prevalence of lung cancer by targeting tobacco, one might arrest and reverse ballooning obesity trends by indicting sugared drinks.

"But things are not quite as simple as a media meme or a political trend, otherwise why would the Obesity Society stage such a debate or, indeed, an entire conference wherein soda was, at best, a minor player in a complex drama of cause and effect?"
"Moreover, as the economic historian John Komlos has pointed out, it's a mistake to think that obesity suddenly arrived in America as a problem in the 1980s. If you looked at historical data for Body Mass Index (BMI—a proxy measure for fat), Americans started putting on the pounds in the 1920s and piling them on in the 50s and 60s. It just looked like the obesity epidemic struck in the 80s because that's when the BMI threshold for defining obesity was crossed by a mass of people who had been gradually putting on the pounds year after year."
"The casual way autonomy can be overturned by rhetorical claims to public health has the power to drive people potty. As the philosopher-turned-financier Michael Shaoul noted in a 1992 PhD thesis, the emergence of credit in the 1980s had a profound effect on identity, greatly accelerating the transformation whereby people stopped thinking of themselves as being solely defined by their labor in a particular workplace and began to think of themselves as consumers. ... Public health experts have a tendency to think of the consumer as someone who is consuming the wrong things because they lack the right kind of knowledge or incentive to consume the right things or because an industry has successfully persuaded them to consume the wrong things. But when everyone sees their social role as, fundamentally, being a consumer, there is little transactional difference between a beverage company or a fast-food restaurant and a public health department.

"This is something that struck me, as a non-scientist, throughout the conference: there was very little room in the "Harvard" conception of public health for the idea of pleasure as a "good"—as something the consumer values, wants, identifies with, and should be at liberty to pursue even at a personal risk to health."
theawl  soda  sugar  nutrition  health  law  legal  morality  michael_bloomberg  academia  debate  science  america  obesity  frank_hu  david_allison  expert  harvard  diet  evidence  research  2012  2010s  21st_century  bias  epidemiology  risk  causation  effect  data  sedentary  body  tax  trevor_butterworth 
october 2012 by cluebucket
Annotations - Triple Canopy
AP: "I would like to think that by mimicking that act we’re imbuing with meaning something that was constructed almost explicitly to deny or obscure the relation between word and thing—an empty shell people can feel OK about throwing money at, and one with infinitely greater aesthetic value than 'Dyncorp.'"
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march 2012 by cluebucket
older bro's friend sez "Before smartphones, you had to carry newspaper clippings to settle debates":
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may 2011 by cluebucket

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