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"Red Delicious was A+ in its original incarnation. Then folks kept grafting from bud sports (=sometimes a tree throws a branch that's a little different, it's normal) w darker & darker fruit. Selected for color instead of quality. 100+ yrs later we now have purple foamballs.

[quoting: "If I had a time machine I would 100% make sure that the person who named the Red Delicious apple was brought to justice"
https://twitter.com/faithchoyce/status/1055944025121771520]

(2/) Weirdly this makes some evolutionary sense. When confronted w a variety of otherwise identical fruit (say, bins of apples at the store), humans go for the darkest red ones.

In nature, that's how you eat the ripe ones & leave bb fruit to mature.

(3/) So. All other things being equal, if you have multiple apple varieties at the store, the darkest red ones tend to sell the fastest. It's not hard to see how that wound up being the priority for deciding which Red Delicious variants to graft.

(4/) Tl;dr a lot of the stuff that the food movement blames on "bad agriculture" or w/e is ... really just the result of a lot of micro-scale human decisions that made sense on their own. Then they snowball into something weird.

(5/) Also when I worked in fruit breeding the weirdest thing would happen. Us in the breeding program would wind up with our favorite cultivars. We liked the ones with a lot of flavor: strong, balanced acidity & sweetness with a lot of aroma.

(6/) There was this one blueberry that had this amazing rich flavor. Thick, jammy with a little bit of blackberry to it. mmmmmm

(7/) But when we actually did the flavor testing? Let civilians eat our new berry crosses?

They LOOOVED the most watery, insipid, shitty berries. Kept giving them top marks, and our favorite big-flavor berries always wound up in the middle.

(8/) IIRC the top-testing blueberry from that program during my time there was Meadowlark. Bless its heart, it's a great bush- but the fruit is a bland-ass water bean. Its max flavor level is a faint whiff of violets.

(9/) Anyway, it seems like every other thinkpiece about ~food these days~ has obligatory remarks on how The Scientists Are Breeding Crops For Durability Instead of Flavor.

lmao fuck that, we keep TRYING to breed for flavor & getting sabotaged by y'all on the taste panels

(10/) Again, there's some really complex human systems stuff going on in our produce markets. Like asking why so many ppl seem to prefer bland fruit. We'd really be able to help ourselves out if we actually ... looked at that?

(11/) But it wraps the story up in a neat little bow to blame ~science~ so sure let's do that instead.

-cut to scientists hissing Gollum-style over the 3 good berry plants from their field trials that never made it to market because The People Have Spoken- 🤣

(12/) Hrmmm replies have turned into a "let's hate on the plebes who don't appreciate fruit like ~we~ do" sesh.

The entire point of this thread was, there's a HUGE spectrum of flavors out there most of us don't ever encounter & we don't know what we don't know.

(13/) Statistically speaking, MOST OF US in the ol' u s of a are secretly one of those majority of people who like shitty bland fruit, AND WE'LL NEVER KNOW IT."

That's for dormant (spring) grafting, usually cleft, whip and tongue or just whip or bark grafting. But for summer budding and chipping I just don't know. I would feel better if the budstick were keep cool during transit, but since it's the dormant part of the stick that you're using you might be OK shipping even at this time of year. Others, I hope, will fill in this gap.

Gotta see it to believe it

Pear (easiest)
Apple
Plum
Apricot
Peach/Nectarine (hardest)

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Plum - 100% takes, both chip buds and cleft grafts (20+ total grafts) - Rootstock: Santa Rosa
Pluots/Apriums - 100% takes, both chip buds and cleft grafts (6 total grafts) - Rootstock: Dapple Dandy, Flavor King
Peaches - 80% takes (20+ total grafts) - Rootstock: Floridaprince

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Apple - 100% takes, both chip buds and cleft grafts (20+ total grafts) - Rootstocks: Dorsett Golden and Anna
Jujube - 100% takes, chip buds only (3 total grafts) - Rootstock: GA-866
Fig - 90% takes, 90% chip buds, 90% cleft grafts, Some of the scion wood in question which could account for failures (50+ total grafts) - Rootstocks: Black Mission, Black Jack, Panache, Violette de Bordeaux, Smith
Persimmons - 80% takes. 80% of chip buds, 80% on cleft grafts. Some of the scion wood in question which could account for failures (20+ total grafts) - Rootstocks: Izu and Fuyu
Pomegranates - 60% takes. 100% on chip buds. 20% on cleft grafts (20 total grafts) - Rootstock: Wonderful

California Rare Fruit Growers: Meets in Berkeley.

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